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#########################UPDATE (January 21, 2011): On the HideTheDecline post Where should we expect UHI in temperature data 1979-2009?, I have added a request of Frank for his future posts:
Title: Hopefully My Final Reply To Frank
Frank, with respect to your ongoing efforts along this line research, please do you and me a favor.
Please do not refer to or link my posts, please do not refer to me by name, and please do not link to or use my graphs in your posts. If you adhere to my request, I will have no need to return to your website and find error with what you've written and presented.
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UPDATE (January 16, 2011): Frank Lansner has again hidden the second of his posts in which he attempts to use TLT anomalies to identify Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect. The link…
http://hidethedecline.eu/pages/posts/discussion-of-the-article-uah-reveals-urban-heat-210.php
…in my January 13, 2011 update (below) brings you to a page with “Sorry, no active content to display”.
It appears that Frank Lansner of HideTheDecline has now merged the follow-up post with the original UAH reveals UrbAn Heat post. And the comment thread from the second post, which held my criticisms of the posts and his replies, has now been turned into a linked Word file…
http://hidethedecline.eu/media/UAHUHI/bobsdiscussion.doc
…with fonts so small the comments are difficult to read without changing their size or your screen zoom. The returns and spacing between paragraphs have disappeared so that they are hard to follow.
Frank has now written a third post in the series called Where should we expect UHI in temperature data 1979-2009? He continues to subscribe to the error-filled line of thought that the difference between TLT and surface temperatures can be used to identify areas of UHI effect, Figure 2. He attempts to confirm this by using population growth maps, Figure 6. But he misses the point once again. UHI exists in areas that he has identified as “No UHI”, but there is limited to no UHI effect in other areas that he identifies as “UHI”.
My final comment to Frank (refer to above linked Word file) was titled "End Of Discussion - Goodbye Frank".
The comment reads:
Frank replied, "So basically, your result says that the UAH-Grounbased difference is from oceans..."
Wrong. Read what I wrote again. I wrote that the trend in TLT anomalies over the North Atlantic was higher than the SST trend. I did not say “the UAH-Grounbased difference is from oceans.” You misrepresent what I write repeatedly. Every chance you get, you redirect the discussion, stating that I have said one thing, when, in fact, I have said the opposite and presented data to confirm it.
What about my comment about inland Africa, Frank? There, I showed you that the GISS trend was considerably higher than the TLT trend:
http://i43.tinypic.com/if1oh5.png
I used that as an example that UHI effect is not the only reason for the difference between land surface data and TLT. There’s not a lot of UHI in the Sahara desert, Frank. At WUWT I provided you with a link to the post that graph came from. Here it is again:
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-2-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html
In that post, there are many graphs of many areas of the globe that disagree with your initial premise that UHI is responsible for the difference between TLT anomalies and surface temperature anomalies.
In my latest reply to you at my blog, I wrote, All you are doing is rehashing discussions we've already had on the thread at WUWT. I've already presented to you in multiple ways why what you had written there was wrong. My rewriting it another way apparently doesn't help because you become defensive and you argue.
And what are you doing in your latest reply on 14th January, 2011 at 14:44:54?
You being defensive and you are arguing.
And in my last comment at my blog, I suggested, Reread what I discussed with you on that thread. Attempt to understand what people who disagreed with you were saying to you. Don't become defensive. Don't become argumentative. Steven Mosher suggested ways for you redo all of your graphs. Have you tried it to see if it presents different results?
Have you tried that? Apparently not.
In your latest reply here, you wrote, “You get the opposite result compared to me, so it’s a little early to conclude anything much for now.”
Any of your readers, those who are interested in determining whether you or I are right, can reproduce the graphs I had presented to you, Frank. They can see for themselves I have presented reality and that your original post was flawed.
Since you, Frank, are still arguing and still misrepresenting what I have written, I cannot continue this discussion.
Your readers will understand why I have chosen to end this conversation. You might try to spin it, but your readers will understand.
Goodbye, Frank.
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UPDATE January 13, 2011: The post at HideTheDecline has reappeared.
http://hidethedecline.eu/pages/posts/discussion-of-the-article-uah-reveals-urban-heat-210.php
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Bloggers have comments deleted all the time. Most don’t like it because of the time and effort that goes into writing it. I just had something happen that’s a little bit different. Not only has my comment disappeared, so has the entire post. The title of the blog post was “List of claimed ‘errors’ mostly received from Bob Tisdale in the comments on WUWT”, and for some reason it caught my eye. It ran at the blog HideTheDecline.
Someone at HideTheDecline must have been displeased with me.
I didn’t mind having my name in the title of the post. I didn’t mind having my arguments misrepresented. But I did not like having my comment on that HideTheDecline thread deleted.
BACKGROUND
I’ve prepared a number of posts that compare TLT and surface temperature data, and if I find a blog post or comment that contradict what I’ve found, I leave a reply, explaining where I disagree. I disagreed with much of the UAH and UHI post by Frank Lansner that was cross-posted at WUWT. Apparently Frank was not satisfied with the lack of progress of his arguments at WUWT UAH and UHI, so on December 26, 2010, he prepared a post with my name in the title. Some sort of payback? Who knows?
I discovered Frank’s post at hidethedecline on January 8, 2011, and replied in a comment that was name- and date-stamped with “By Unknown on 8th January, 2011 at 01:35:38”. My comment remained on that hidethedecline thread for a couple of days without reply from Frank. When I went back to check for a reply today, January 12, 2011, I discovered not only was my comment gone, but so was the entire post. It vanished. No explanation. Someone had deleted that entire HideTheDecline post.
THE POST REMAINS IN GOOGLE CACHE
The google cache version of Frank’s post (without comments) is here: Cached. And here’s a screen cap of the cache page:
http://i54.tinypic.com/15z2y6h.jpgMY COMMENT
The title of my comment was “If You Had Performed a Reasonable Analysis...” and it read:
If YOU had performed a reasonable analysis, Frank, you would have discovered that the vast majority of the difference between TLT and surface data exists in only one area of the globe. All areas would be impacted by UHI if it had a significant effect, but they are not. And that fact alone contradicts your claims that UHI is the primary reason for the difference between surface and TLT data.
If you had researched it a little more, you would have discovered that much of the difference between TLT and surface data occurs over the North Atlantic. One wouldn't think that there is a lot of UHI effect on the North Atlantic, Frank.
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2010/10/on-differences-between-surface-and-tlt.html
If you had performed a reasonable analysis, Frank, you would have discovered that GISS land surface data for much of the United States has a lower trend than the TLT data:
http://i40.tinypic.com/nget8k.pngIf you had performed a reasonable analysis, Frank, you would have discovered that there is little difference between GISS land surface data and TLT data for much of Europe:
http://i40.tinypic.com/k6ija.pngIf UHI was such a dominant factor, why are they so similar, Frank?
Everyone knows the major difference between GISS and TLT data is how GISS treats the Arctic data.
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2010/05/giss-deletes-arctic-and-southern-ocean.html
THE COMMENT STILL RESIDES IN GOOGLE
Since the Google cache of the post does not contain any comments, someone might think I’ve fabricated it. So I Googled the opening of my comment in quotes “If YOU had performed a reasonable analysis, Frank, you would have discovered” and Google returned with the link shown in the following screen cap.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2vdqlbo.jpgI clicked on the link, but my comment did not exist.
I JUST SEEMS A LITTLE ODD
It’s odd that a blogger would take the time to write a post, then delete the entire post because he didn’t like a comment on the thread, but still leave the original erroneous post UAH reveals UrbAn Heat.
I’m not sure what to make of it.
Please don’t delete another of my comments, Frank Lansner.
